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developing this morning, new details on the raid in syria by u.s. special forces that took on out a major isis commander. the intel they obtained and what this means for the overall battle against isis. >> the federal government is ordering amtrak to improve safety ago the company is scrambling to restore service to the northeast. pope francis this morning, gives controversial praise to mahmoud abbas calling him an angel of peace, this as the
catholic makes two catholic nuns from the middle east saints. you've made it to sunday! i hope it's a little bit r&r for you today. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you. the new information on the daring u.s. mission to captures isis commander abu sayyaf. communicates earns its money. the next few days officials will analyze all of that data. a fbi high led interrogation is going to inter gait his wife umm sayyaf. >> reporter: not known in terms of isis leadership. a name who the united states say was behind the money, was behind the oil, which used to make isis
so much of its money and increasingly involved in the military operations. we don't know his real name. abu sayyaf means the father of sayyaf and his wife who was captured. umm means the mother of sayyaf. u.s. will look to provide why this man was so important because they endured an enormous risk in going to get to him. we are told this was a capture mission, not a kill mission. had it been a kill mission they could have simply used a drone. they were after intelligence and the things he knew and the things his computers and phones perhaps had on them as well so complex indeed they decided to take this risk because they flew into one of the most dangerous parts of isis territory deep inside of syria. the oil field known to be a military isis base and had a perimeter around it of 3 to 5 millimeter around it. delta forces came on in. hand-to-hand fighting, bloody
knuckles amongst those soldiers and an extraordinary fight for this man sayyaf who they thought they could capture alone. so a complex task. certainly for u.s. commandos here and one that leaves them with, they say, substantial intelligence how isis works and this detainee umm sayyaf. 19 fighters killed in this and some said to be foreign and questions, of course, being asked as to why the u.s. is willing to endure this substantial risk and a difficult thing to explain to the public had it gone wrong the promises president obama said he wouldn't put soldiers in the middle east during his tenure. maybe seeing what the white house is to do. a spark intervention one here the white house said it was successful in killing a man they hoped to capture but so many questions as to what exactly was entirely in the u.s. cross-hairs
during this raid. >> our thanks to nick. not much known about abu sayyaf's real identity. he is a an is i commander who goes by other names. he was also involved with the terror group's military operations and hostage taking operations. let's bring in a cnn correspondent and lieutenant general mark hertling. we are hearing from the national security council and from the pentagon that this was a key figure. if we turn this around and look at it from isis perspective, was he really a key figure? this is a big blow to the organization? >> well, victor, that is the big question here for many observers, experts, isis experts who have really monitored this group for the past couple of years. he was really unheard of until we heard the announcement about this raid yesterday.
so lots of questions about who he really is. did he maintain a low profile? is that why not many people know much about him? he really doesn't come across as one of the top names when it comes to the leadership of is circumstances that we know of. not wanted and not heard much about before. so there has been a lot of speculation among some experts saying potentially maybe there was a possibility he heard that u.s. forces were going after a different target, not necessarily him, a higher profile one. this, of course, is not yet confirmed, just some speculation about that. so lots of questions we are going to wait and hear. we will have to hear more from the u.s. administration and from the pentagon whether this was a major raid. the isis group in the past admits when it has lost members of the group, high ranking members. so we still have to wait and hear from isis. but as we know, victor, from the
past experience, whether it's prior to isis, al qaeda, when it comes to these extremist groups, these terrorist organizations, it's pretty much like dealing with a medusa. you take one head out, it will grow another hundred. this is a very adaptable organization and highly sophisticated. the key here what intelligence may have been gathered from this operation. >> good analogy there with taking one hat off, a medusa. general hertling, a question that nick raised. a high risk operation. do you see this is a turn that likely will happen, regardless of the value of this commander, that the special operations forces would go so deep into isis territory to get him and to get this information? >> this has always been a mission of special operations forces, special operations command, victor, to go after critical targets. it was certainly a risky
operation. but those risks are by the command in terms how they allocate fire power and allocate forces to any kind of in addition like this. but, at the same time, where it might be high risk and high mitigated risk, it also is extremely high payoff. now look. victor, when i retired, i lost my security clearance as all generals do, but i will tell you i've seen many of these kinds of targeting packages and what is inside of them. there was likely an extremely long list of why you would get a case, special operations command forces to go after a target. this was not an arbitraty decision let's get this guy on a thursday. this was a long list of intelligence and what they expected to gain from it and how many forces to apply against it and what would be the results. now, truthfully, there may have been other targets at the scene. i don't know. abu sayyaf may have been one of several that they expected to
capture in this capture/kill mission. but i think the criticality of knowing exactly who was there and announcing it rapidly afterwards tells me that this guy was very important. there is a long list of things that they can gain against him. as related to jomana's characterization of a hydra. when there are targets can't be replaced as rapidly and the fact that isis is not saying anything about this just yet, tells me they are in damage control mode. how has this affected the organization? what phone numbers is going on? what did he have on his computer and what kind of intelligence was at the scene and how is it going to affect the organization. they are adaptable but they are going through that process right now as well. victor? >> jomana, i want to go to ramadi. late in the week there seemed to be a swing in the direction that
they took the ramadi great mosque and raised the flag over a building there. then it seemed, according to sources there, that isis pulled back. what do we know about that? >> reporter: well, there are conflicting reports coming out of ramadi, victor, about the situation right now. it pretty much is still a very fluid situation. it does seem that they withdrew from the headquarters of the o proven shal government in ramadi and raised the flag there but it's unclear they did so because of the iraqi foreign security and we know they did send in some elite troops to try to push back isis or whether it is because the intensified air campaign that may have taken place over the past couple of days that made them withdraw from such obvious landmarks in the city. as we have seen over the past few months a serious termination from this group to gain ground in anbar and take over ramadi so
the fight is far from over at this point. >> jomana karadsheh joining us fr and general mark hertling, thank you so much. >> what do we know about the unit tracking down sayyaf? how can they get in and get out of some of the world's most dangerous areas some what we have learned. when we come back, amtrak forced to install safety improvements along the track where the train wreck happened. how critical could this be to stop another incident? of hep c. or wonder... ...whether i should seek treatment. i am ready. because today there's harvoni. a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. harvoni is proven to cure up to 99% of patients... ...who've had no prior treatment. it's the one and only cure that's...
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ordering amtrak to immediately install speed control devices on the northeast corridor where an amtrak train went off the tracks on tuesday killing eight people and injuring more than 200. >> amtrak says it hopes to resume service in the area by tomorrow or by tuesday. the fbi and the ntsb are looking into reports that some sort of object hit that amtrak train and two other trains as well. we want to get more on this from cnn's rene marsh. >> reporter: new information from this assistant conductor is really deepening the mystery about what caused this deadly derailment. if we reset we know a train was struck by some sort of objects and more eminutes before the amtrak 88 derailed and we have audio that police responded after the train was struck by a
proceed j projectile. >> we do not have an update on any injury because they are making communication with the engineer while he is still on a rail, but it is a train that has had a foreign object made contact, shattereri inin ining windshield. >> reporter: that happens minutes before the amtrak 188 derailed. the engineer said not only did he hear the engineer report that his train had been struck, she believes she heard the amtrak engineer saying his train had been struck as well. the fbi is taking a close look at the windshield of train 188 and they are going to be doing lab tests determine was it struck by a projectile and what angle it came from. we know the federal railway
association has asked amtrak to take steps immediately. they are ordering amtrak to install technology on tracks that would essentially control a train's speed. they are also asking amtrak to do a risk assessment on all of the curves along the northeast corridor. and, lastly, they are ordering amtrak to increase speed limits signage along the tracks. now, we are told that if amtrak refuses this, they could face civil penalties. however, amtrak has come out, they say that they will be implementing this as soon as possible possible. >> thank you, rene. fritz edlard is joining us now. he is a locomotive expert. thank you for being with us. federal regulators installing speed controls for trains like this. why wasn't the technology in place before now and do engineers push for it? >> well, one of the problems
that you have with a lot of these stories is they get reported in the media as the technical detail is complicated for people who don't go the word. automatic train control stands for atc. it has existed for almost a hundred years and is implemented on almost every locomotive that operates in the northeast corridor. when they use this terminology in this situation, they are talking about a very specific implementation of that similar to what exists in that same location for a westbound movement. and i could just say this. i want to make it clear right now that i did not speak for the brotherhood of locomotive engineers and trainmen but only for my own decades of experience and expertise work of trains in
this exact place. i can tell you that, you know, we all -- all engineers are independence in increased measures that will reduce risk like positive train control and that sort of technology. >> you're confident in this technology? >> well, let me put it to you this way. that technology is already an implementation in other locations and it has its applications. >> it works? are you saying it works in those places? >> well, i'll say that the implication of it in this particular location, i would reserve judgment on whether or not it would actually prevent a situation like that there. >> why? >> like the one that took place. there's some technical questions and, as i said before, that is my own understanding of that implementation.
i think what i've seen in the course of my career is a rush to come up with some kind of technology cal fix in many cases in these things. >> reporter: fritz, you're talking about how you have concerns about this particular route. are there other routes on your radar that raise red flags to you also? there are a lot of people watching this this morning and they are going to go get on a train. >> it's a second-by-second business. the kind of work that my -- the men and women that i work with who are, in my opinion, the safest and the most professional that there are in the city. it's a second-by-second operation and there's a great difficulty with technology that exists today to be able to have something that will not actually artificially decrease the speed and artificially increase the length of a trip from washington to new york, while, at the same time, providing the kind of
guarantees that we need. >> that we need, all right. >> i'll tell you this. it's been 70 years since there was any kind of an incident at that location and the last incident that did happen to that location had nothing to do with the circumstances, the kind of thing that happened on tuesday. >> okay. all right. fritz edler, we aappreciate your insight into this. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. take a look at this. >> all right. i think that is close enough. >> a monster tornado touches down in oklahoma. storm chasers come dangerously close. you'll see the damage it caused. plus, the pope calls a president an angel of peace. the president on your screen and why it's outraging some. well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem, your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom...
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all right. i think that is close enough. >> how about that? storm chasers in oklahoma capturing a churning wedge tornado on the ground. this is near elmer which is close to the texas border. a large band of severe weather moved across the plain states overnight. >> you can't get this thing in the frame here! >> i know. look at the pictures of the aftermath. the cars crunched under the wood there and metal twisted and in all of this, thankfully, no one seriously hurt. >> people there know what to do. >> yes. >> let's just make it very clear. people there are very adroit at what happens and taking care of themselves.
fortunately, we are grateful for that. but there is more severe weather on the way most likely in oklahoma, texas, arkansas. our meteorologist derrick van damme is tracking all of that for us. good morning. >> good morning. amazing no injuries or fatalities coming out of that situation. >> especially when it happens overnight. >> the tornadoes are dark, you can't see it. a lot of times in the severe storms they are rain-wrapped and often hidden behind a shaft of rain that often disguises the tornado as well. the footage you saw a moment ago was called a wedge tornado and thons tornadoes are classified by being wider as they are tall. >> why we couldn't get all of it in the picture. >> that's why you couldn't fit it in the entire shot there. amazing stuff, huh? also severe winds with this obviously. these can be some of the most destructive storms because of the width of them. they are could be a half a mile wide for instance. in total on saturday, with we had ruffle 28 tornadoes across
eight different states in the u.s. guess what, guys? we have another round of severe weather today. not as widespread as what we experienced on saturday but this time we are looking for the upper mid mississippi valley all the way to the ozark mountains for the possibility of this severe weather. you can see the setup here. a cold front, traditional severe weather setup. remember, may is the peak severe weather season across the u.s. cold dry air interacting with the warm, humid gulf of mexico air streaming into parts of the u.s. and creates hail, damaging winds and isolated tornadoes. we have a rough 30 million americans under the threat of severe weather, specifically across the eastern sections of minnesota and western wisconsin. madison to minneapolis and, by the way, chicago also under an enhanced severe weather risk today. we are going to be keeping an eye to the sky and also the possibility of heavy rainfall that could lead to localized flooding. here are some of the local
radars. large storm system moving through and minneapolis waking up to rainfall this morning and severe thunderstorm watch box for portions of arkansas and northwa northward. these torms will move eastward. little rock you're next within the next two hours or so. we also have a line of storms this morning that is knocking on the doorstep of austin. i wouldn't be surprised if we experienced winds in excess of 40 miles per hour with these band of storms moving through. lots of lightning right now through dallas. very, very -- well, stormy start to your sunday morning. i mentioned the possibility of flooding. victor and christie, it only takes one foot of water to float a week two feet the rushing water to raise and float an entire suv. so you want to listen to that very prominent national weather service slogan that is turn around, don't drown. if you see a flooded roadway don't go across it and don't try to navigate over that water. >> derrick, thank you.
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off the aircraft and took off and hovered overhead. they destroyed the building from inside and outside positions. but special forces were able to get close to the building and blow a hole in its side. they went in and encountered isis fighters and there were more gunshots and reports of hand-to-hand combat. u.s. troops managed to kill the fighters without hurting the women and children. isis commander abu sayyaf was killed in the raid but delta force was able to capture and lead with his wife umm sayyaf and another woman they rescued along with collected communication gear. let's bring in cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hertling. good to have you back, general. we talked a lot, obviously, after the kill of osama bin laden about the s.e.a.l. team but let's talk more about the delta force. >> i won't tell you much,
truthfully, victor. this is an extremely secretive unit and called the first special operations attachment with delta but everyone knows them as delta force. i know their numbers but i'll tell you it varies between 800 and 1,200 soldiers area they are the army's component of joint special operations command so you have the s.e.a.l.s from the navy, the parajumpers from the air force and marines special operations detachment, and then he have delta, the oldest of the special operators and they were formed in the 1970s and go through extremely challenging and difficult selection process. you can't even apply to delta until you've had about two and a half years in the army. you go through an initial screening, which lasts several weeks. and then if you're selected, and many are not, you go through what is called an operational training course, otc, which lasts about nine months in duration. the dismissal rate from that otc is extremely high and more are dismissed than make it into the
team. they basically do operations in counterterrorism and direct action missions which are the kinds of things we saw yesterday, and hostage rescues and raid. hostage rescue is way down the list of their operational requirements. they were formed in the 1970s to cover a gap and built on the british sas model with more of an operation on operations than anything else. >> interesting you start this saying we will not tell you much but you have told us a lot about delta force i'm sure a lot of people didn't know. we were searching this morning for some of the more profile operation and hunt for osama bin laden and former iraqi president. there was the hostage rescue attempt that was not successful and i think what most people remember is a black hawk downed in that mission. there aren't many missions that are publicized. >> right. exactly right. in fact, what i'd suggest is there have been hundreds,
perhaps even thousands, of delta force missions in the last several years that no one knows about. in fact, you might meet a guy at a party or on the street who is a delta force operator and he will never tell you, hey, i'm part of delta. it's just not done. i had an individual going back to the selection process, i had a good friend who applied for delta when we were both young captains back in the '80s. he came back from the selection criteria, said he didn't make it and he didn't know why. they don't even tell people why they don't make the force. they have what is called relaxed rooming standards, so they don't look like a soldier. in fact, that could be a detriment for their selection. if they say do things like a soldier or give away the fact they are in the military, that might be something that caused them not to be selected. so this is an organization, they call themselves the quiet professionals. it consists of more than just the operators.
there is also a aviation detachment and, truthfully, i had some e-mail exchanges last night with some of my friends who were very upset about the release of the data on this raid on abu sayyaf because they said, hey, this is not what delta does. we don't tell people we just conducted an operation and they are a little upset that the media has gotten ahold of this. >> i think it's pretty interesting you think there is a chance i'll go to a party and a member of delta force there. we are going to different parties, general! >> they are all over the place, victor. they could be next to you and you'd never know it. >> thanks for the insight. >> you got it. cnn takes a unique look inside isis. "blindsided how isis shocked the world" right here on cnn tonight. >> i'll be looking at people at my parties now. days into her senate
campaign, a california congresswoman is already on the defense. hear the comments about american indians that now have loretta sanchez literally running away from reports. he went from new york's finest to new york's dirtiest cops. what did he say about his time behind bars? we are sitting down with him ahead. stay close. making a fist
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stereotype of native americans and following the event she was seen running away from tv cameras as she attended some other events. >> sometimes when we say runningware, she are not running away. she was literally running. the man who intermediate sanchez said many saw this gesture as insensitive. >> i was shocked and appalled she would make the disparaging comments about native americans that way. it's just very undemocratic. >> sanchez entered the senate race just two days ago. turning to the race for the white house in 2016. 11 gop presidential hopefuls attend a lincoln dinner in sghodes moines. there were so many candidates that they couldn't finish their speeches. >> reporter: in a word the night was crowded. nearly a dozen republicans took the stage at last night's iowa lincoln day dinner, trying to
make a mark, trying to set themselves apart in front of all of these iowa voters. as you can imagine, there were plenty of jabs against hillary clinton and a little bit of friendly fire, too, as some of these republicans went after one another. but perhaps this moment best encapsulates the night. >> when i think about the vision of this country -- >> reporter: that is former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina. when she reached her ten-minute mark, the music played and she was hustled off the stage. that is what happens when you have a deep bench of republicans. things get a little chaotic. everyone wants a spot on stage and a chance to leave their mark. it's definitely going to be a tough, tough job for the republican national committee to decide which candidates will land a coveted spots on the republican debate stage. >> that hurts.
we are like what? they did what? >> at an awards ceremony, i've already won something. i have an oscar. i can go home. she is still trying to win something! give her an opportunity to finish the speech! >> i know. >> that's too much. >> we are just both shocked by this too. >> you might be shocked by what you see next. a man who took an oath to serve and protect but, instead, michael dowd ran a criminal network while working as a new york city cop. i sat down with the man some call the dirtiest cop in new york history about the life on the police force and how it's changed after prison.
stealing drugs and money from common criminals and charging drug dealers thousands for his protection. now confessed to breaking hundreds of laws and served 12 years in prison. now he is out of prison. for the first time, opening up about his story in a new documentary "the seven five." now i spoke exclusively with this officer-turned-criminal about his time in the 75th precinct and life after prison. >> my mother is still in pain over it after all of these years. and, you know, every time i see a police officer, i feel i can't even approach them and say hello. you know? i want to be a normal human being and citizen again. >> reporter: for the police officers who know your story, how do they respond or react to you? >> you know, it's a mixed bag. some are still angry at me and some understand the dynamics first of all, what toops was in
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you have a person like myself who was not given to do these things, but was very easily swayed on the temptations on the street. >> you also said that a michael dowd could not exist today. a cop as dirty as you were in the '80s couldn't exist today. >> yes. >> if you were -- or if you had to wear a body camera back then, could you have gotten away with it? >> no. i think body camera should be on every police officer. >> expound upon that. >> excuse me? >> expound on that. why? >> listen. because most police officers are always doing the right thing and it's the ones that are doing the wrong thing that we catch these glimpses of flashes of or just perceived as wrong. the fact it would actually help the police departments if they had cameras on because you'd be surprised how hard the officers are working and how difficult of a position they are in every time they go to confront, in other words, a suspect or an individual who may turn into a suspect.
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they are being recognized with their work with the poor and reportedly the first arabic speaking catholic saints. it comes days after the vatican recognized palestinian statehood and the day after the pope met with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas. >> we want to talk about this with john allen. he is the author of "the francis miracle." john, we know during their meeting, pope francis called mahmoud abbas as we just said, an angel of piece. kind of wondering what the reaction has been to that comment. >> good morning. happy sunday to you. predictably, the reaction on the israeli side and among israeli supporters and other parts of the world, has not been particularly good. they, of course would no look on president abbas as an angel of peace. instead, they would see him as someone who is part of a system among the palestinians that continues to create tensions with israeli and continues to violate security agreements and so on. this is part of a bigger
picture, of course. the vatican recognized palestinian statehood actually in november of 2012 this week under the pope benedict xvith. this has not gone down well with the israelis. now, look. the applications in the middle east if something helps the israelis and the vatican is trying mightily not to play that game and they want to support the legitimate security interests of israeli and the sovereignty rights of the palestinians. their attempt to strike that balance has been neutral. >> this is a pope in pope francis who recently paved the way and been acknowledged by doing so by both the presidents of the united states and cuba in terms of making it possible to
restore relations between these two countries. now, pope francis did last summer try to bring -- he did bring the israeli and palestinian presidents together for a peace prayer in the vatican gardens but, of course, that gesture, as provocative as it was, came just a couple of weeks before israeli and hamas went to war in the gaza strip. how effective he is going to be in trying to bring these two countries together remains to be seen but i think everyone would acknowledge this is a pope who does pack some diplomatic punch. >> john allen, appreciate it. thank you so much. >> sure. thank you for starting your morning with us. we certainly appreciate it. >> we got much more ahead on the next hour of your "new day," and it starts right now. ♪ a major isis commander killed in a dangerous raid by u.s. special forces in syria. new details this morning on how the capture of a man the u.s.
calls a key figure went down. amtrak ordered to beef up its security on the tracks on the site of a deadly derailment in philadelphia. new speed controls are being installed as it prepares to restore full service in the northeast. it's sunday. i know you want to be outside but there are severe storms. look at this mondster tornado that touched down in oklahoma. more today and the threat of more wicked weather is kicking in again. good morning. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. >> reporter: the u.s. daring mission to kachcapture isis commander eye abu sayyaf. the next few days, officials will analyze that data and fbi-led high value